[ALERT: This post contains some adult language. If you don't like it, I hate you.]
As much as I dislike some of the random bitchy, not-helping posts that people put up on the official World of Warcraft forums (and that I’m not even at home, on a mini-vacation with a special friend)…
This thread has so much potential for greatness and it’s a shame Zarhym locked it.
The title of it is “if you only do 3k, 4k, 5k dps, don’t queue”.
Now, a majority of the posts within this delicious 4-page sandwich of a thread are of the “lol this is great” and “two thumbs up” variety. A few even went the distance to say “unless you pay for my subscription, don’t tell me how to play”. And of course, the GREATEST answer was…
If you suck at your class, don’t queue for heroics (I assume that’s what the OP means). Plain and simple. If you’ve leveled 84 times, you’re not a new player. They’ve had 85 levels of time to learn how the class works, how to gear, how to play, how to stay out of the fire, etc. I don’t think a player has to be a min-maxing stat-obsessive spreadsheet-analyzer, but at the same time I don’t think people should queue for heroics when they have no idea how to play their class.
On the flip side, I’ve grouped with epic-clad, enchanted, achievement-ridden people that can’t do 6k dps to save their life, and I’ve grouped with cheated-the-item-level-system players that can only just do 5k but know what to attack, how to interrupt, how to CC, pay attention, and try earnestly to do well. Guess which one of these players I’d rather group with and will have infinitely more patience with?
The OP, while having atrocious grammar and spelling “everything” wrong, unfortunately has a great point that people end up ignoring due to the lack of being able to communicate!
I am also, as defined in this post (and our guild) as “that guy”. I’m the one who will kick a bad DPS in a heroic PUG. I am the guy who will belittle, mock, and scream in caps while 3 other guild members help (or if you’re my favorite feral druid ever, name being withheld, you are the guy who goes for it).
If you cannot pull minimum 5k DPS and be unable to perform the required tasks for an encounter or for trash, you should just get out. You are actually wasting my precious $15 a month. Yes, you are. Don’t say “well I don’t know how to play the game” or “I’m new”. If you are either of them, please use your powers to remember your previous 84 levels. You also can use something called “THE INTERNET”, which supposedly has knowledgeable sources everywhere. While you shouldn’t use Wiki to write a paper (or cite it directly), you can use Elitist Jerks or the MMO-Champion forums, or even the World of Warcraft forums to better yourself.
I firmly believe, especially as an educator, if you don’t put in the time to just learn how to do something at its minimal, you shouldn’t be doing it. If you can’t show that you want to be good at something, then don’t do it. You end up wasting not just the time of others, but your own! Anything can give you the keys, but you have to turn it.
To those who are complaining about the OP in this thread, especially this guy:
If low dps bugs you, don’t pug. By using LFD, you’re acknowledging that you’ll take what you’re given and at least attempt to work with it.
Also, everyone seems so focused on dps. Where’s the concern for damage mitigation? I always see dps posting their numbers for dps, but rarely do I see numbers posted for who did the most interrupts, or who took the least damage. As a healer, I could care less how much your crit was if you’re the guy who gets slammed on a blitz because you’re so focused on your rotation.
Well, first of friend, you’re in luck. If you were in a PUG where we needed a healer and you sucked? You’d get the same treatment. The fun thing is, at least for healing, it’s easier to measure when everyone is dead because you decided to not dispel! Or maybe even just not healing right at all! I’d argue it’s harder to learn how to heal through leveling, so if you’re going to cheat out the normal dungeon grind and go right for heroics through buying PvP blues? I’d punch you in the throat.
Also, I’m not acknowledging anything. I’m not saying “please give me a terrible (insert role here)”. I’m not saying I want the bottom of the barrel. Our guild alone has gotten so many compliments and praise and acknowledgement by the people we PUG we don’t suck at the game! Even when I DPS and I pull my ~10k sustained, a PUG’d healer was like “oh my god you guys are awesome”. If anything, I’d like to thank the failures of WoW for making me look fucking rad.
So yeah. This thread is great because it’s saying something about the general base player of this game— too lazy to learn, too quick to jump into harder content through heroics, and not ballsy enough to admit that it’s not my problem or my guild’s problem, or even the OP’s problem. It’s that guy who is pulling 3-5k DPS, expecting me to carry him literally through an entire instance.
You’re welcome.
I do see you’re point.
However, I also see the point that a person shouldn’t necessarily have to do internet research to play a game.
When I pick up Monopoly, I don’t research the optimum properties to own to maximize the potential of winning. When I play Battleship I don’t look up an analysis of the ship placement least likely to get blown up. When I go out on an afternoon and play touch football, I don’t study the most frequently used maneuvers of my opponents.
So in a way I can sympathize with the people who just want to play a game to have fun.
The problem comes when they have to interact with the die-hard-I-know-everything-about-the-game types. Ideally, when the uninformed players get into an instance, the more knowledgeable people there would tell them what to improve, or how to keep from dying. Instead, what happens is that they get insulted, yelled at, and ultimately kicked from the group. There’s a disconnect of civility there.
Now, if the inexperienced person says “lol I don’t need your help” then the problem is on their end. But I think too many people are too quick to jump on these “bad” players in an unfriendly way that serves no one any good.
First off, thank you for commenting, I love it when people do that because I know that people read and not leave enlarging certain genitalia spam.
Second: I do play this game for fun— it’s one of my favorite things to do in a given day. To clarify: I am mostly remarking on the state of heroic PUGs, not necessarily regular ones. I am incredibly merciful on those who do request help, or ask questions.
I am at my worst when there is a disconnect of [i]communication[/i].
While I agree that civility is sort of lacking in a game where you aren’t necessarily expected to have it, it’s worse when no one will vocally acknowledge their shortcomings.
I still believe that, if you cannot learn from leveling up 84 times, reading beginner tooltips, reading your own talents, and can’t remember what quests and normal dungeons teach you… well, someone’s failed you.
I am all for having fun, but I don’t want to be denied that fun just because someone is too lazy to learn the game. I mean, you learn Monopoly through playing it. Same with Battleship. You learn to actually buy those stupid red and green buildings for your properties. You know that maybe you should spread out those ships. To be honest, there’s a human element to these things that make them varied and different. You can’t really set a strategy when at any given time, you could land in jail!
But in WoW, where everything is essentially the same (it’s not like you run through Heroic Deadmines and on the 50th time, you run into Hell Diablo because SoJs were destroyed), I think you sort of have to eventually learn that expanding black things on the ground that make your green bar go away and eventually keep you from doing things is… well, bad.
I think WoW does a really good job of educating players. I think the player base is ignorant. I think we use “fun” as an excuse for bad playing. If you want to have fun, then that’s great! Have fun! But if you want to have nice things, you DO have to put a bit of time into it. You don’t get better at any sport by doing nothing about it. “Fun” is sort of hard to define especially when my fun is raiding or leveling alts and someone else has fun gathering pets.
Am I saying “break open the WoW books and study, damnit”? No. I’m saying in 5 minutes you could skim any number of easily available information, apply that knowledge, and keep themselves from being kicked because they don’t want to learn– they want others around them to. :p